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Review Jean Dodal Tarot from Jean Dodal / Jean Claude Flornoy

DATASHEET
Name : Jean Dodal Tarot
Author : Jean Dodal / Jean Claude Flornoy
Publisher : letarot.com Editions
Tradition : Tarot de Marseille type I
Packaging : Boîte carton souple / 13.6 x 7.7 x 3.8 cm
Deck : 78 cards / matte and satin / 13.2 cm x 7.8 cm
Size : high
Handbook : Booklet of 48 pages en B&W
Reverse side : Yes, the backs of the cards are reversible.
Switch of 8/11 : No
Universe : Medieval / Renaissance
Use : Prediction , Personal development
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The equipment

The equipment

The box containing the game is made of soft cardboard. Inside are the 78 cards and the booklet. Accustomed to the solid boxes and quality packaging of the Anglo-Saxon tarot cards or printed by large publishing companies, an amateur may be surprised with this tarot deck. He may see it as a rather low-end product. But make no mistake about it. First of all, all English publishers and even the big French publishing companies have their products printed in China. Personally I don't support it because of the carbon impact. Then, even if the packaging of Anglo-Saxon games is beautiful, very often the quality of the cards themselves is disappointing. In short, they take care of the packaging but not the cards, it's the world upside down.

Here, the game is "made in France" with letarot.com. The packaging may be soft, but the cards have a matt coating on thick cardboard. This quality of printing is not the norm for mass-market tarot cards printed in China. In fact, the thinness of the cards is even usual with the big publishers Lo Scarabeo and US Games, for example. Although I agree that some tarot readers like thin cards, and rightly so, since they make the pack thinner and easier to shuffle, when the coating on the cards is of good quality and the cards glide smoothly between the fingers.

The cards of the deck are large, but not so large and even conventional in the usual 12-13cm x 7-8cm English tarot deck format. However put in its historical context, the standard size of a Tarot de Marseille being 12x6cm, it is clear that this deck has an unusual size.

At 13 centimeters in height, it can be difficult for a person with small hands to shuffle the deck horizontally, in which case vertical shuffling will be necessary.

The author Jean Dodal

First of all, it must be specified that Jean Dodal is the master cardmaker who printed and sold this tarot. The tarot itself was engraved by Jacques Mermé. In the past, there have been master cardmakers who engraved their own molds.

The Tarot of Jean Dodal was engraved in 1701 and sold from that same period. Only two complete original copies of this tarot remain, one kept at the Bibliothèque Nationale de France (link to gallery), the other at the British Museum.

It is likely that this tarot was intended primarily for export to neighboring countries such as Switzerland, Germany, but especially Italy. Indeed, we can read the letters "F.P.LE.TRANGE.". ("fait pour l'étranger" - made for abroad) on the Page of Wands, XI FORCE, XXI LE MONDE, as well as on each Knight. In addition, the Two of Cups also has the initials PLN (which could be the acronym for "Pour Le Négoce" - for the trade) and FPE (probable acronym for "fait pour l'étranger"). According to Thierry Depaulis, this appellation allowed the exemption of French taxes for export games. Indeed, surprisingly, the popularity of tarot in France had been declining since the end of the 17th century. It was still only played in Provence and in the border areas with Germany and Switzerland. At the time, tarot was even considered a foreign card game, since the French games already had the French signs (Heart, Diamond, Spades and Clubs).

The publisher/restorer Jean-Claude Flornoy

The publisher/restorer Jean-Claude Flornoy

Jean-Claude Flornoy (1950 - 2011) was a tarologist, specialist of the Tarot de Marseille, a writer and a card maker. After studying philosophy and psychology, he worked for 15 years as a potter-ceramist. Then he devoted about twenty years to the study and restoration of the tarots of the French tradition (known as tarots de Marseille). From the original tarots preserved at the National Library in Paris, he restored the tarots of Jean Noblet (Paris, circa 1650), Jean Dodal (Lyon, 1701) - the object of this review - and the Major Arcana of Jacques Viéville (Paris, circa 1650). It is still possible to buy these restored tarot cards on the official website of the publishing house letarot.com.

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His work is remarkable because it allows you to practice divination with historical games that look new and neat (digitally printed) much more enjoyable than the original version (stencilled cards). Of course I love the charm of the craftmanship of the stencil painted cards with their lots of imperfections. But for divination, it is more comfortable to rely on clean and sharp images.

The booklet

The booklet

The booklet has a summary content, however it is written in English and French. It does not provide any approach to reading or interpreting the maps. The text of the booklet is essentially to inform the reader of the historical context in which the tarot was printed and sold in 1701. This story allows us to measure the luck that this tarot could have reached us and the attention that this original work deserves. In understanding how this tarot was engraved and the symbols that run through its images, I have made this restoration an object of in-depth study.

One can regret the absence of any pedagogy on draws and interpretations. Those who come from the RWS tradition may be astonished by such a small and poor booklet. But in the Marseilles school, the convention is rather to learn divination, through courses, workshops or simply by reading books, because the Marseilles tarot cards respect "an iconographic standard" that has remained unchanged since the 18th century. Also, because of this canonical form, the authors do not feel obliged to deliver meanings and strategies of drawing with their decks. On the contrary, with the tarot cards of the RWS tradition, the authors make it a point of honor to give meanings and spreads that they feel are appropriate.Indeed, their creations being original and unique, respecting or not the original standard of the RWS tarot, they must be explained to the buyers.

The particularity of the game

The first surprise when discovering a historical French tarot for the first time is often the spelling of the card names. Illiteracy was widespread, and even the standardization of French spelling was still in its infancy. The Académie française, the institution responsible for defining the French language, was founded in 1635. There is no counting the number of spelling mistakes in this tarot: LA PANCES (instead of LA PENSEE), IMPERATRIS (instead of IMPERATRICE), LA MOUREU (instead of L AMOUREUX), LE CHARIOR (instead of LE CHARIOT). It is even crisper with the court cards of the Swords series, since we have : VALET DEPEES, CHEVALIER DESPEIS, ROY DESPEE, REINE DESPEIES. We have 4 different spellings of the word swords (i.e. EPEE) ! Why ? Some would be tempted to think that there is a hidden code. My pragmatism leads me to believe that it is 4 different apprentice engravers who made these 4 molds. Indeed, Jacques Mermé, the official engraver of this tarot, was probably leading apprentices. I wouldn't be surprised if he delegated part of the engraving of the moulds of the Minor Arcana, reserving the engraving of the Major Arcana for himself.

The numbering is also astonishing. Indeed, the 6 and 7 of Deniers and the 7 of Cups are not numbered. The 6 and 7 of Wands and Swords have their Roman numerals reversed: IV and IIV while the 6 of Cups is correctly numbered VI. Likewise, one of the Roman numerals on the 9 of Wands is also inverted (but not the second numeral on the same card). These errors may credit the hypothesis that the tarot was partly engraved by novices, or that the moulds were recovered from unscrupulous engravers or master cardmakers.

IV instead of VI
IIIIV instead of VIIII

However on the Major Arcana, we can observe some very interesting characteristics that make this game unique:

  • LE FOL, is still called LE FOU, it will be named LE MAT for the first time only in 1709 with the tarot of Pierre Madenié. Note also that its intimacy is hidden, the older tarot cards tend to show LE FOU scruffy and buttocks in the air, even showing his genitals !
  • I THE BATELEVR displays a plant between its two feet that looks like a "cactus".
  • II THE PANCES (= La pensée - The thought - ?) is not called THE PAPESSE. Other students see it as a reference to the belly, uterus and not to the thought. But what is remarkable is its mole on the cheek !
  • IIII LEMPEREVR shows in the background the number 4, symbol of the master companions ? Square of the builders of cathedrals ? But especially its collar is shaped like a goose head !
  • VI LA MOVREV displays a blindfolded angel.
  • VIII IVSTICE ostensibly pushes with his left elbow an arm of the balance, unbalancing the two plates ! The sword is also noticeably bent. Moreover, for the first time in the tradition of Marseille, the hair of the character forms a rope around his neck.
  • XII THE PANDV pulls out his tongue and his hands are quite strange (wings ?). Moreover, the crossbar to which the rope is supposed to be tied is not on the card.
  • XIII for the first time no longer bears the name of THE DEATH, the card becomes the arcane without a name ...
  • XIV TEMPERANCE is topless, chest out !
  • XV LE DIABLE keeps his second face on his belly and his eyes on his knees, features that will disappear as soon as the Madenié tarot in 1709.
  • XVI LA MAISON DIEU has its thunderbolt (or its flames) which rises towards the sky and the sun (and not the reverse as we see in the canonical form).
  • XVII LE TOILLE seems pregnant and a kind of eye replaces the navel. For the first time, the black bird appears on the shrub.
  • XVIIII LE SOLEIL shows for the first time two children (previously we could see a man and a woman). One of the two children is one-eyed (transmission of light from the master -touching the belly- to the disciple -unsightly- ?).
  • XXI LE MONDE could show a man or an androgynous. Indeed the character seems to have a beard, has no feminine chest, and a foliage masks his intimacy.
Some specialists add that the characters sometimes have 4 or 6 fingers on their hands, details indeed visible on III IMPERATRIS or XIV TEMPERANCE and other cards. For my part, I do not formalize these originalities, I believe that they come from the more or less precise dexterity of the engraver and also from his creativity. I don't especially try to give a hidden meaning to these singularities.

Finally, another particularity, initials I.P. are engraved on the XVII LA LUNE card, under the dog's tail on the right. These would be the initials of Jean Payen, if we allow ourselves to believe that the original mould came from his workshop. Indeed, thanks to a marriage certificate dated April 3, 1714, kept in the Vaucluse departmental archives, we learn that an engraver named Claude Mermé, born into the family of master cardmaker, worked for Jean Payen and Jean Pierre Payen. Is this Claude Mermé from the same family as Jacques Marmé, engraver of Dodal ? Probably if we compare the two tarot cards of Dodal 1701 and Jean-Pierre Payen 1713, very similar.

The Dodal could be a variant of the Jean Payen, intended for export. Others go further, and allow themselves to say that Dodal and Payen would be the same person, explaining the very strong resemblance between the two tarot cards. For my part, I remain very circumspect. Indeed another tarot, that of Nicolas Rolichon (which can be seen in a 1919 Larousse encyclopedia) that historians date from 1685 (probably around 1670 - 1690), has very strong similarities with those of Dodal and Payen. It should be noted that many of the innovations brought by Dodal are already present in the Rolichon, which is however older. In my opinion, Jean Dodal and Jean Pierre Payen are indeed two different people, and the Dodal tarot is not an export variant of Payen. I believe that the Rolichon, then Dodal and then Payen tarot cards are the result of a tradition and a technique that has been handed down from master to apprentice. For we know that there were several streams of French tarot cards in the 17th century, before the Tarot de Marseille standard superseded (or unified) all these traditions during the 18th century.

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The cards I like

I LE BATELEVR

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On the previous tarot cards, whether the Anonymous Tarot of Paris (1615) or the Vieiville or Noblet tarot cards (both 1650), LE BATELEUR had nothing between his two feet, or only a few leaves of a plant. Here with the Dodal, we obviously have a particular plant, a trunk with small branches, a kind of cactus. If we are curious about what this plant could represent, we quickly come to the idea that this plant could be a female sex, the curves of the ground emphasizing the two legs spread apart and supposedly of the woman; who in this case would have given birth to the boy. For LE BATELEUR is a young man at the beginning of his path, fresh from his inexperience, who has just appeared in the world. Naturally, this is only a supposition, but it is held by many tarologists.

II LA PANCES

II LA PANCES

The Dodal is the only tarot to my knowledge whose LA PAPESSE has a mole on her cheek. This detail is indicative of the freedom of tone of the engraver. Indeed, this mole makes the PAPESSE, a woman of the court, an aristocrat. There was a curious fashion among the noble women of the time to use aesthetic "flies". It was generally a small round of taffeta or black velvet, or more simply a dot of make-up pencil, imitating the mole. Women put their flies on the face or on the neckline, in places that varied according to character or moods. This mole in the middle of the cheek of the PAPESSE, could have meant for the engraver that the nun was gallant, alone and open to relationships.

IV - LEMPEREVR

IV - LEMPEREVR

Another specificity of Dodal is the emperor's necklace which has the shape of a goose head. Symbolically, the goose refers to the announcement of danger. This animal, a real watchdog, evokes attention and vigilance. Cultures around the world have given very different attributes to the animal. But I don't think that the engraver's viewpoint was to recall the symbolism of the animal. Rather, I think the creator wanted to draw a parallel with the game of the goose, the oldest mentions of which date back to the early 17th century. Probably invented towards the end of the 16th century, this game was quickly popular throughout Europe. This success could come from its concept, a sort of initiatory labyrinth, an esoteric journey comparable to human life with its ups and downs, its successes and failures. The Major Arcana of the tarot also makes the initiatory story of human life. I think that the engraver wanted to signify that the path of Life, can be a labyrinth (the spiral of the goose game) with its good and bad fortunes (the pawns can move forward and backward on the board of the goose game). To have made this goose necklace, an attribute of the emperor, is undoubtedly a message of hope given to the players. The emperor by his rigor, knowledge, mastery is able to bring success and prosperity in his life and brilliantly lead his way through the *maze* of his life.

VI LA MOVREV

VI LA MOVREV

In the Marseille standard, the angel appearing in the sky of L'AMOUREUX is usually sighted. But in the first French tarot cards the angel appears blindfolded, the Dodal tarot is one of the last decks to show him this way. This angel is a representation of Cupid, son of Venus and Mars. He is the god of Love, assimilated to the god Eros (his Greek equivalent). Cupid is armed with a bow, a quiver filled with arrows. Sometimes he is blind or blindfolded, these are classic representations of the angel. For isn't it said that Love makes blind or that Love sees no fault in what is loved? This is all the more true because in the Middle Ages, Cupid could be perceived as a treacherous, misleading god, manipulating lovers. It is probably in this sense that in the first representations of the Tarot de Marseille, Cupid was blindfolded. It is only from the 18th century, that a less negative meaning was given to the card of L'AMOUREUX by sanitizing the figure of Cupid by removing his blindfold.

Personally I like the evocation of the god of Love with his blindfold. This sign is for me a warning message for the reader, that the heart has its reasons that reason ignores, certainly, but that the heart can be blind too. Strengthened by this reminder, the reader must consciously decide his or her path.

VIII IVSTICE

VIII IVSTICE

JUSTICE that cheats by pressing one arm of the scales to tip it is rich in lessons. We can naturally expect Justice to be impartial, balanced, just and fair. But we all know that Life is unjust, that hazard (or in other words destiny) favors one to the detriment of the other. Indeed each individual speaks and acts according to his personal interests. JUSTICE of the first Tarot cards of Marseilles almost tells us that Justice does not exist because it is not fair ! However, as for L'AMOUREUX, at the beginning of the 18th century the card will be made less subversive, and since the balance pans are perfectly balanced in the canonical form. Only the sword remained very slightly tilted.

As for L'AMOUREUX, I like the version of the first tarot cards. JUSTICE by its simple presence in the 22 trumps of the Major Arcana reminds us that it is a necessary virtue to learn and apply on the initiatory journey; and what is more, we always reap what we sow. But because its balance is unbalanced, it brings us back to the reality of our existences: the justice of men is imperfect.

XII LE PANDV

XII LE PANDV

Again in the early tarot cards, LE PENDU was endowed with attributes that disappeared with standardization. Before the tarot of Madenié 1709, LE PENDU had curious hands and tongue. With Madenié and since then, LE PENDU keeps his tongue in his mouth and his hands are invisible in his back.

I like this version where LE PENDU pulls out his tongue. This offhandedness shows perfectly that he assumes his situation, that he is even voluntary, in no way does he suffer what is happening to him. Similarly, his strange hands on his shoulders could be wings, giving a lightness to the character who seems to float in the air.The fact that the engravers have graced LE PENDU with wings, thus conferring on him a celestial or even divine nature, shows the importance of this card and its message. Coercion, pressure, the limits that we impose on ourselves or that the world imposes on us, are as many opportunities to look at our situation differently, to observe the bonds that constrain us, their nature and their cause.

XVI LA MAISON DIEV

XVI LA MAISON DIEV

In the standard version, the thunder flash or jet of flames comes down from the sun and hits the top of the tower. In Dodal's tarot and those of his predecessors, the jet of flames rises from the top towards the sky to reach the sun.

Here again, I prefer the old version, with the thunder flash going up. LA MAISON DIEU is the card of enlightenment, of awareness. The tower represents the individual. The crenellations at the top, basically drawn like a royal crown, represent his ego. This card thus speaks to us of an individual whose ego (his vision, his ambition, his prejudices, his beliefs) suddenly tilts and falls lower than the ground. A brief, remarkable event occurs in the life of the individual, destabilizing him on his most solid foundations, hits him as hard and powerful as lightning hits the ground. This is the meaning of the card. The fact that the jet of flames rises from the tower and on the contrary does not strike the tower, indicates that Heaven is neutral, what causes the rupture is not the lightning itself. It is the individual's perception, his understanding of the event, that forces him to abandon his ego. Abandoning his deepest beliefs, the individual then opens himself to a sudden vision and an unexpected lucidity on his situation and his environment. It is thus this light that finally emerges from his mind that evokes this ascending jet. And that it is certainly not a fatality, a destiny, a divine manifestation (descending jet) that strikes the individual. It is his feeling and his reaction to the event that brings the crisis and the questioning.

XVII LE TOILLE

XVII LE TOILLE

L'ETOILE has two attributes that are new in the Dodal version. First the woman has a very curious navel, a kind of eye. The navel symbolizes our birth, our past. It is the scar of the umbilical cord through which our mother fed us when we were only an embryo in her womb. The eye is the sign of vigilance, knowledge and omniscience, it can also be a pledge of benevolence and protection like the Udjat eye of ancient Egypt. With this particular symbol, Dodal speaks of a woman losing her water (note how the jug pouring water is placed at the place of her sex) and thus giving birth, who is looking at the past or what is being born with understanding and kindness. The card of L'ETOILE is the entrance door to the last square (THE STAR, THE MOON, THE SUN, THE JUDGMENT) leading to the realization (THE WORLD). In this, the woman blesses and forgives all that has been done before and dissolves all that past into the waters to prepare herself for the coming birth (THE JUDGMENT). This, it seems to me, is what is to be understood from this navel-eye.

Finally, with Dodal, appears for the first time the black bird on the bush (which is not present in Noblet's tarot). Later, this black bird will be integrated into the canonical form. The bird is a sign of freedom because it flies, and of wisdom because it takes height and approaches the sky. It is black, so it can be a crow. Nowadays, the raven can evoke mystery, death, misfortune. But it is also an animal symbolizing magic, it is a spiritual guide or even a messenger of the gods. It is true that this bird conveys multiple meanings according to traditions and cultures. Here, in the meaning of this card, and to avoid getting lost in interpretations, we can just say about the bush and the bird :

  • The bush can represent a shrub that hurts because its thorns hurt and bring suffering. If it is a reference to the burning bush of the Bible, which burns without ever being consumed, it is more symbolic of divine revelation. Remaining pragmatic, as the bush is not burning, I would say here that it symbolizes suffering.
  • The bird perched on the bush, if it is a raven, can symbolize misfortune and death. But I think above all that it evokes the bird ready to leave its nest or the world suffering (the bush), and to fly away, that is to say to become free. The bird is here a message of hope : the flight is planned, it is within reach ! Indeed, the bird perched on the bush can accomplish only one action: to leave the branch and fly away ...

XVIIII LE SOLEIL

XVIIII LE SOLEIL

The one-eyed child is a specificity of the Dodal tarot. The SUN card speaks of charisma, radiance, extroverted individual who expresses himself with joy and lightness, captivating his audience with his presence and passionate words. There is therefore a form of transmission that seems to be evoked by the two children through their gestures. Indeed, one puts his hand on the shoulder of the other as a sign of benevolence and protection, in return the other touches the solar plexus or the heart of his partner, as a sign of love and self-sacrifice. The fact that a child is one-eyed may mean that he is not as lucid as the other, that he has not completely opened his eyes, that he has yet to develop his maturity, his knowledge of the world. And this is perhaps what the other child (who has both eyes open) transmits to him by touching his torso. It transmits to him the love, the joy, the passion that he lacks. Perhaps there is simply the symbol of the relationship between the master and the apprentice. The relationship that each aspirant lived when he entered a fraternity of "companions".

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My opinion on Jean Dodal Tarot

The Dodal tarot is in many ways a unique case in the history of the Tarot de Marseille. It is the worthy representative of a tradition beginning with the master cardmaker Nicolas Rolichon and ending with the master cardmaker Jean Pierre Payen (as far as we know). Dodal and its engraver Jacques Mermé brought their innovations which were either integrated or rejected in the Marseilles standard.

I particularly like this tarot (and the Noblet one which I make the review here) and I prefer reading with it and the Noblet rather than with a modern tarot like the Camoin-Jodorowsky (my review ici) or the Fournier (my review ici) . I use this deck because its images have a graphic style resembling medieval stained glass windows and make it a "cathedral tarot", where wisdom and understanding of the soul's path lies.

The reader accustomed to the tarot cards of Marseilles will find in this game, a renewal of the archetypes, a deeper questioning of the meanings of the Major Arcana. This game is an essential reference for the study of the Tarot de Marseille.

The beginner practitioner (in the Marseille tradition) will undoubtedly have to get used to the very medieval imagery of the game, especially if he comes from the Rider-Waite-Smith school. But he will have everything to gain by working with the Dodal rather than preferring more recent Marseille games, with more modern colors and drawings. The effort will be rewarded by a more factual and less esoteric understanding of the Tarot's initiatory message.

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TYPE OF USE
  • Prediction
  • Personal development
PROS
  • Medieval images but effective and universal
  • Great interest in the study of the tarot de Marseille
CONS
  • Large format cards (really a problem?)
  • Non-canonical form of the Marseilles standard
MATERIAL QUALITY RATINGS
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Packaging
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Quality
cards
3
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Rating
Artistic
EASE OF INTERPRETATION RATINGS
5
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Richness
of symbolism
5
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Legibility
of cards
5
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Structure
level
EASY-TO-USE RATINGS
2
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Ease
of use
2
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Accessible
to children
5
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Interest
in the study
OVERALL RATING
3.7 / 5
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Comments

profilRandom Stranger, 12/26/2023
Hey, thanks for mentioning Hope in relation to XVII... made me think that XVII - XVIII - XIX could be the virtues of Hope - Faith - Charity(Love).
I will return the favor by mentioning a curious detail linked to Roman numbering: what we learned in school (IV=4, IX=9) only applied to monuments, as a more compact form of writing the date. But in everyday usage you would just addup the numbers... so IVIVVIIII would be equal to 21, IXI to 12, and so on. The position of each "digit" did not make any difference, and that was the beauty of it.
profilDavid from TAROTQuest, 12/26/2023
Hello, and thank you for your insightful and interesting comment!

Your observation about the cards XVII (The Star), XVIII (The Moon), and XIX (The Sun) is intriguing. Indeed, these three major arcana can be interpreted through the prism of the Christian virtues of Hope, Faith, and Charity (Love). In the Judeo-Christian tradition, The Star symbolizes Hope, a guiding light in times of darkness, while The Moon represents Faith, often associated with intuition and belief beyond reason. The Sun, on the other hand, embodies Divine Love, bringing warmth, light, and positive energy.

Regarding your point about the Roman numeral numbering of the major arcana, it is indeed a fascinating subject. Historically, the Romans often used simpler forms for numbers, like IIII instead of IV, or VIIII instead of IX. However, the idea that the order of the digits didn't matter and that IVIVVIIII would equal 21 seems to be a modern and non-historical interpretation, as far as I know. In Roman practice, the order of digits was important to correctly represent numbers. Do you have sources for your theory?

Thank you for sharing your thoughts and bringing a new and interesting perspective to the interpretation of Tarot cards. Your contributions enrich our understanding and appreciation of these mysterious and powerful symbols. Everyone has their own version. Looking forward to reading more of your observations!
profilDavid Beaver, 07/24/2024
Hi David,
Another great review. I have a feeling that the Noblet is probably your favourite of the two main type I decks, just?

What do you think of the faces in the restorations? One thing I have noticed is that this is the one facet that is less successful with restorations, with the originals having more character and charm - except where there is wear from the centuries obscuring parts of some faces. One thing that is noticeable is that the faces in the Dodal and Noblet are better than most other later tarot decks and certainly better than the CBD and the Jodorowky – Camoin faces. Only the Pierre Madenie has comparable facial charm.

One thing I feel I must disagree with is your criticism of English cards which I think is unfair as no mass market decks are printed in England and haven't been for decades. Perhaps you should describe them as English language or designed decks. All of my mass market decks are printed in either: United States (US games or Llewellyn), Switzerland (Muller), Italy (Lo Scarabeo), Spain (Fournier), France (Cartamundi). Even my Rider Waite from the 1980s was printed in Switzerland and my Thoth Deck the same. Many of them are now actually printed in China for American and an Italian company. My one and only deck printed in England is of exceptionally high quality being printed on the thickest card stock and still looking great 52 years later. I wish more decks originating in England, like the RWS and Thoth deck would be printed in England, but there is no interest in doing so as the cost of printing, despite the premium quality, would put it beyond the price people would be willing to pay.

Kind regards

David
profilDavid from TAROTQuest, 07/29/2024
Thank you for your new comment. It's a pleasure to read and share with you. It's very motivating for me to have such regular readers. It forces me to pay extra attention when writing my articles!

It's true that to this day, Jean Noblet's tarot is my favourite, and Jean-Claude Flornoy's restored version has become my 'personal' deck among all the tarots in my collection. I'm not sure I understand your comment about the faces between the original decks and the restored decks. I think Flornoy has done a fine job of restoration, including the faces. It's true that he's been able to retain some imperfect features, meaning that he hasn't tried to embellish the faces in any way. Perhaps you could clarify your opinion with a concrete example?

You're absolutely right, the Noblet, Dodal and Madenié sets benefit from very fine engraving. These 3 master craftsmen had a real know-how that was lost with the following generations.

And I agree that the CBD and Jodorowky-Camoin faces have less character.But it's all a matter of taste.CBD has less finely drawn faces, but they're less serious and almost smiling, so they may appeal more. You're also right about English mass-market games, I had put English games and English mass-market games in the same basket, and that was a mistake.So I've reworded my assessment of mass-market decks in this article and the one on Jean Noblet's Tarot.Thank you for pointing this out.
profilDavid Beaver , 07/29/2024
Hi David,
I'm glad these comments are motivating. Your excellent website has also given me a push to discover more about the Tarot and has definitely made me analyse some decks I hadn't considered before.

I realised that my comment about faces wasn't very clear. That was my fault, not your translation skills. What I meant to write was that the faces on the original decks now kept in the museums of Europe and now on facsimile decks are often more charming and character full. Unless the restorer is very skilled and a fine artist themselves, they often lose that aspect as they 'clean up' the lines. We know which Tarot de Marseille decks are guilty of that! Of the modern restorations the finest in my opinion is the Lo Scarabeo deck from Morsucci and Ottolini which is the ideal learning deck. I will do a YouTube review of that one soon. The faces in that one are very nice. Kris Hadar's are good too.

I looked at the Noblet deck in more detail last week to see what the appeal is - as I wasn't convinced that I wanted a pure type I deck. Suddenly I got it. A number of Trump cards clicked and then I realised those faces are just incredible and shows the skill of the craftsman who cut the woodblocks. So thank you for pointing me in this direction. I ordered the Flornoy deck last week. I think it's his latest version from 2021, but I don't know what was changed, if anything. There are other facsimile versions, but I think the good, modern restorations are easier for actually reading with; facsimiles are more for admiring as art works!

My only slight concern is how I get on with un-rounded corners! The smaller size is appealing as that is one of the things I like about the Spanish Tarot from Fournier, which is a delight to handle.

I shall let you know my first opinions as soon as I can, if it arrives this week (I'm on vacation next week).

Have a good week.
profilDavid from TAROTQuest, 07/31/2024
Hi David.

I've taken the liberty of correcting the spelling errors you pointed out in your second post, which I've now deleted.

Thanks again for your comments, which have forced me to take an interest in decks that aren't necessarily my favourite (typically Lo Scarabeo). So I took a look at the Morsucci and Ottolini deck from Lo Scarabeo. And it does indeed seem suitable for beginners. So I'm going to get it. So this is the third one you've made me buy! ^_^

I agree with you, the faces of the historical decks, particularly the tarots de Marseille type I have a character and a charm to which I am personally very sensitive. Now it's true that the "facsimile" or medieval iconography of these decks may not be to your liking. I can understand why you might prefer more modern tarot de marseille decks with clean, smiling faces or pastel colours.

I bought the Noblet before 2021, so I have the old version. However, on letarot.com, JC Flornoy's official website, I saw no reference to a recent version of the game. I can confirm the square corners on the cards because Flornoy wanted the restoration to be as faithful as possible to the original.I know that another site "artisantarot" offers a restoration of Noblet with rounded corners [https://artisantarot.com/shop/p/jean-noblet-tarot-deck].However, I've never had too many square corners in my set.It's true that I shuffle the cards flat on my table to mix them.The way I shuffle, the cards don't clash.

I'll send you the links to my reviews of Hadar and Ancient Italian, but not before October as I want to work on updating the Lenormand memos before then. This will also give me time to make prints of these new games and study them.

Best regards. David.
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